Looking forward. [Action plan]

[taelus]

Ok, so the guild has been working steadily since its forming a while ago, and the leaders have been learning how the guild members are in general, and what things work and what dont etc...

So, finally, I am happy to present the plan for TBC! Dont take it as 100% fact, but as a plan of what we would like to happen.

1) Changes to weekly schedule:
We have tried out pretty much every day of the week now, and have learnt what time you lot are mostly active and free for events, so we plan to work like this:

Tuesday: PvE Raid
Thursday: PvE Raid
Friday: PvE Raid
Saturday and Sunday: Mix of RP, PvP, and other things if people want them.

This would leave Monday and Wednesday as free days.

2) Introduction of Modified DKP system.

As scary as this sounds, I think that it will benefit about 90% of the guild members. Our current loot system is too luck based, and open to exploitation. For example we have seen people coming along, managing to get an epic, blue, a bunch of tokens, then they bugger off and dont raid again whilst loyal, regular members cant get what they want.

The DKP system will, in short, reward members for arriving on time, being at the keyboard for boss kills, and also emphasise that the guild is not only about PvE, but also about RP. [As RP meetings will have small DKP bonuses most likely, but nothing system breaking.]

The DKP system should be easy to use and understand, as blind bidding will be used to the raid leader to avoid tactical bidding or gang bidding etc... We hope this will make people enjoy themselves more, as they know they will be getting loot along with everyone else, rather than watching one member of their class win it all through luck.

3) 25 man raids

Not much to say here, but as our group is pretty solidly built for 25-manning, I think that we can finally rise up and see the content the other guilds are seeing, no longer being the casual guild that only does 1 dungeon with success!

4) Developing as a community

As TBC introduces a lot more casual content for 5 man groups, both inside instances and in the game world, we are looking forward to the guild and its ally Iron Wheel becomming alot more integrated, with the two guilds using channels to find groups, helping each other out and so forth. TBC really is shifting the target of WoW to both medium and large guilds, and I hope we can prosper with that!

So, thanks for reading all of that, I hope you enjoy TBC as much as I suspect I will.
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Taelus

[Tarim]

Nothing more to say actualy, other then that I hope you will all remain with us in the new content

[Fenna Stormpike]

I'll stay

[dinendal]

I'm having my doubt with the blind bidding, but we'll see how it works out.

[taelus]

Well Din, a few people voiced concerns with the fact that people can intentionally try to push prices up if they can see bids etc, or work in groups to ensure loot stays within the group and so forth...

Both methods have their +ves and -ves, but from the response I got from guild chat discussions I was moved to blind bidding. But yes, we will see.

[beger]

Blind bidding, yeah...

All experience i got is bad and if its possible please try to make bigger discusion about it. This system will not eliminate gang/tactical bidding - it will only pass the responsibility to raid leader. Trust me - that is the straight path to make fights in raids.

[Flimtwizzle the Black]

Not really feeling the blind bidding bit either. Can see people getting very pissy about that, including myself.

To be honest, I liked the TRC DKP system, nice and simple and no grudges. May I ask why that system was put aside?

[dinendal]

My thought exactly; zero-sum is used by most guilds as it's fair and clear.

[Gizmo]

Zero-sum would be my preference, but I'll trust that the ToA leaders know what they're doing.

[arckan]

Both Zero-sum and the system Taelus suggest are fine by me.

If you want to check out some more DKP systems check out this link:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DKP

[divinity]

Hi,

I'll sure stay for the TBC.

I like the new plan - especially the new raiding times - which will give me more raiding time- the current sunday raids are out of a question for me - since I work on sundays

so, PvE raids on thursday + friday is good.

However, I'd like to point my main concern with the blind-bidding. I'm really worried, as some have mentioned, that the blind-bidding will cause quite a lot of dispute and fights.

The blind-bidding method will place upon the shoulder of the raid leader a big responsibility, also, the raid leader itself have the problem of being blamed to have favoured his friend over one of the bidders.

I can see fights going on like this : "I have 50 DKP, there's no chance anyone have bidded more than that! I want to know WHO bidded more and how much" and then you practically makes the blind-bidding null, since you will constantly have to deal with such claims.

But I do love the idea of DKP.

[arckan]

Concerning the blind bidding. You guys should have some more faith in Taelus and the officers. I'm sure that if they announce the winner of a blind auction it will be the person who bet the most amount of points. In my old guild on Genjuros this was never a problem. I don't see a problem here. The big problem with the suggested system will be the point inflation which Zero-sum seems to have less since there's a set amount of prices for items.

[Tarim]

Well since everyone is so concerned about the blind bidding, I will try to get the following going,

[Imba item of eternal destruction and despair] drops for warlocks for example, warlocks get to hear how much DKP they have in tells (or raid, dont know that for sure yet) and they can state their bid to the one who told them their DKP.The one with the highest bid gets the item of course, and we will tell who bidded what, so you guys can see what the general DKP value is and you can keep that in mind the next time the item drops.

Of course you can now ask yourself : "Why wont we bid in raid then since it gets announced anyway?" Well as you know, everyone cant seem to shut up during looting, everyone included. Would you really want to have raid leaders miss your DKP bid because player X had to spam GRTZ 20.000 times ? Also it brings a form of excitement to the bidding game "Will I get it, did I bid enough? Do the others have more DKP then I do ?".

Also, think of the blind bidding as this, If Player X bidded all his DKP or at least a large portion of it, and you and Player Y just bidded 20 and 25 respectively, player X must feel like an idiot spending all his DKP on some item and will be more carefull next time, so we all learn from this experience which will enhance the guild relations in my opinion. Unless you have sore losers of course *cough* AND members *coughs*

[arckan]

You shouldn't worry about sore losers. If I were to bid all my points on an item I really really want I wouldn't care about who bid way less points than me I'd just be glad I won, but that's just me of course.

Anyway I'm leaning more towards zero sum + a ghost player that can stack up on extra points to reward people for certain feats like coming online and killing extra bosses.

[sayolein]

Friday = You win one (1) internets for you and your family.